Can I please doublecheck if the following applies exactly the same for my situation? I have a Whirlpool Duet Washer (and Dryer) that is about 2.5 years old. We have water softener in our water, which is supposed to help our 2 year old who has severe eczema. We have switched to a liquid HE detergent as it is fragrance-free. There is lots of soap scum that I can see below/beyond the rubber seal which I cannot reach.
Do the amounts of detergent to be used apply for powder OR liquid?
Is it the same amount regardless of the size of load/amount of laundry being washed?
I do not use any fabric softener. Vinegar is suggested as an alternative - in what amounts?
Can I use WHIRLOUT (instead of the Whirlpool-recommended Affresh) for the Duet washer?
Is the Whirlout (immediately, and then every four months) what is needed to get rid of the existing soap sludge I cannot reach below the tub etc.?
If I got this right, I should use the bleach at least monthly on the Cleaner cycle, then on the fourth month use Whirlout instead of the chlorine?
I read through the posts and apologize if I am repeating questions/missed the already posted answers.
Thank you very much!
As you already know, the following amounts of HE detergents should be used:
HE : (2) Tablespoons Per Wash
HE 2X : (1) Tablespoon Per Wash
HE 3X : (1) Teaspoon Per Wash
Most new LG washers now have a TUB CLEAN cycle. This is a special cycle that will add much more water into the tub for the purpose of maintaining the tub & keep it odor free. The tumble duration of the tub is also different than a laundry wash cycle and the water will be HEATED to assist in the cleaning cycle.
It is recommended that the TUB CLEAN cycle be done every 100 loads (or every 4 months).
Interestingly--at the latest LG training seminar--the instructor noted that it was now LG's position that WHIRLOUT has been shown to be more effective than AFFRESH tablets.
It was also interesting to learn that yet-to-be-introduced LG washers will have additional features to combat oversudsing (and the resulting inevitable mildew odors). Essentially--a more aggressive approach to software and sensor application--that will help owners get a handle on this common complaint. The control panel will have an indicator light that informs the consumer that it's time to initiate a TUB CLEAN cycle after the100th cycle . At the owner's discretion--this can be followed or ignored---the washer will NOT be disabled / deactivated.
The following steps can be performed every (4) months:
1) Add the ENTIRE contents of WHIRLOUT (16 oz) into the empty tub. Close door.
2) Press POWER button ("on")
3) Select ANY cycle--then press & hold the TUB CLEAN button for up to 6 seconds. On models that use a viewscreen--the words TUB CLEAN will be shown. On other models--abbreviations will be displayed--indicating that the TUB CLEAN cycle was chosen.
4) Press START button. This cycle will run for approx one hour & twenty five minutes.
5) After this cycle has ended--add (2) Tablespoons of LEMON OIL. This will coat the water tank and for a time--prevent any soap scum / small blobs of fabric softener--from attaching to the water tank.
6) Run a QUICK WASH cycle.
I have a Kenmore Elite Quiet Pak front loader. It's now 4 years old and it stinks to high heaven. I've tried everything and my clothes smell like mildew and the machine constantly smells like mildew. It doesn't spin like it used to and my matching dryer, electric, doesn't dry very well either. We spent a lot of money on this set and I've been unhappy with them for a long time. I would not recommend Kenmore to anyone.
I'll never buy another Kenmore product, and I'm in the market now for a new washer.
It sounds like the front loaders all have a mildew problem. I'm looking at top loaders again.
Consider the high efficiency top load washers, they have no rubber seal that can mold. Huge capacity and great water savings. The Whirlpool Cabrio and Maytag Bravos are great units I think.
I have been reading everyone's comments and can honestly say I am no less fustrated. I have just purchased the Whirlpool Cabrio 2 weeks ago and am presently in the process of returning it. I did extensive research prior to purchasing this particular model ( shopping around and asking many questions and of course consulting CR first). I am fastidious with separating my clothes, following the manufact. advice, use only HE detergent and do MANY loads of laundry per day. The Cabrio has certainly reduced the amount of loads due to its incredible tub size (4.6 cu) which by the way is larger that most FL. It is beautifully quiet (on 2nd flr tiled laundry room). I have been very excited about the capacity feature. HOWEVER, it is stretching all fine knits, cotton shirts and other fabrics (even on the delicate cycle). Moreover, if you wash a fleece jacket/sweatshirt on delicate....good luck trying to get the lint or hair off the item...that goes for the normal or dark colors cycle as well with certain fabrics, particularly the fleeces. The delicate seems to be the worse with this particular problem. Fading is an issue as well. Gentler detergent has alleviated alittle of that issue (Tide 7 signs HE as opposed to Tide HE)
This machine was highly recommended by CR and all of the different sales associates I have spoken to (from different venues to make sure I could decipher through the usual "sales pitch").I previously had a Kenmore Catalyst which I loved except after 1yr 7 mo. the catalyst system would not work any longer. I was told once anything goes out in the computer circuit board it isn't cost efficient to fix. It still worked wonderfully well with the normal and delicate cycles until it completely gave out...total lifespan 5 yrs. I am told now they are finding this is the norm with both the Calypso and Catalyst machines.
My dilemma is I cannot fit the depth of the FL in my laundry room and thought this was the next best thing. I picked the Cabrio over the GE model because of the favorable CR ratings and sales advice.
What to do now? I am so disappointed this washer is so harsh with fabrics because I love the capacity and quietness. I am not happy with the quality of washing on certain cycles with fabrics as stated before. I need a washer that I can trust my sweaters, fine knits, dress clothes,etc and not worry that I have to replace my wardrobe and ruin some of my favorite clothing items.
If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreceiate ANY advice and words of wisdom from your experiences. Time is ticking..........the store is not going to be patient with me forever.
I have a family member who has the Cabrio and loves it the same way you do. She has not had any issues with the unit being hard on her clothes though. Make sure that you are only washing like items together and not over loading the unit. The specific cycle that you select determines the wash action. Your heavy duty cycle will of course have a more aggressive harder wash action. You can also change the soil level option which will also change the wash action. If your clothes are not that dirty then switch the soil level so its not so hard on clothes and see if that helps. It is a top load washer so you still need to load the unit evenly around the tub instead of throwing the clothes right in the washer. Usually people do not read the manuals, but I would recommend doing that as well and see if that gives you any ideas or tips for using the machine. The washer does have great capacity and very quiet your right. Fading actually happens in the washer but make sure your not using to much detergent when washing as well. We have not sold a single set of the GE pair, all Cabrios or Bravos (Maytag verison). Hope that helps.
All of this seems to be a lesson: Don't buy a front-loading machine. They stink, they have fragile product requirements, they require special cleaning, and you have to leave the door open between uses?? What if you have small children? Who needs a machine that requires/creates more work than it does? Can you imagine cleaning all of the nooks and crannies of your vacuum cleaner every time you used it? Just reading about these machines wears me out! <grin>
Why buy a front loader? For the substantial water and energy savings and because their cleaning ability is far superior (while being gentler on clothing).
I was paranoid when I first got mine and did a lot of drying of nooks and crannies. We've now had the machines for three months and I have absolutely no smell or signs of mold. I run a Tub Clean cycle once a month, and I remove the detergent dispenser drawer and leave the machine open overnight after I've done laundry. Total time commitment to remove drawer, pour out the water and leave door open? Approximately 15 seconds. Next morning, replace drawer and shut door? Another fifteen. Hardly onerous. :)
Uhh none ot the above. WE have NEVER had any issues like this even with our POJ Fridgedare. It DOES take a little COMMON SENSE. Much like you cannot use dish soap in a dishwaher you need to use correct amounts of correct product. IOW one has to READ (RTFM read the freaking manual). SOmething mfgrs are learnig that the american public refuses to do or is incapable of doing.
AS for children they can do FAR more harm to themselves in a TL than a FL.
My sister asked me about my FL (Whirlpool Duet old model about 6 or 7 y/o now). SHe is worried about the odor problem. We live in the South, humidity is a HUGE problem. I do leave my door open. My washer does not have a TUB CLean cycle. I have from time to time run the sanitary cycle with vinegar in it and it helps. MY only problem is that my towels seem to smell even after washing. I did discover that Tide HE was the absolutley worst detergent to use. In Fact, it almost broke my machine by over sudsing. My Mom always said to never use Tide, it suds too much. Anyway, I told her about my few things that I did which everyone else seems to be doing to counteract the smell.
To all of you who ponder liquid vs powder detergent, I started using liquid when the powder would not dissolve in my college washing machines. Since that time, I have been stopped in the grocery store by a woman who asked me why I liked my liquid detergent. She informed me that she recently had to replace pipes in her home b/c of powder detergent. Apparently the powder hardened & became like concrete in her pipes much like atheroscerosis in Arteries!
The person who worries about small children-sounds like you need to learn how to set boundries in your household!!!!
Thanks to everyone who has taken time to post their info and help other people overcome a nuisance.
After reading all these solutions to the mold problem with front-loading machines of all stripes I can't help but think that labeling this machine as "energy/water saving" is a misnomer. Running an empty load with a special cleaning product and disregarding instructions from manufacturers about amount of detergent and fabric softeners just seems to be too much; waste of water, money for clothes that are ruined or extra cleaners, etc.
To all manufacturers out there - solve the problem and maybe I'll buy one.
<<<<"energy/water saving" is a misnomer.>>>>
Do the math...
Family of Four
8 Loads of Laundry Per Week (416 Loads Per Year)
Top Load Washer------------------14,976 Gallons Per Year
Front Load Washer------------------7,072 Gallons Per Year
Total Water Useage in a Front Load Washer PLUS 12 *Tub Clean Cycles* (Once Per Month)
***7,372 Gallons Per Year***
6 Containers of WHIRLOUT cleaner: $59.00 Per Year
Disregarding DETERGENT MANUFACTURER useage recommendations (or instructions) means less expense for HE type detergent over a year.
Clothing is cleaner using LESS detergent.
Washer performs as EXPECTED---without malfunctions---using the correct type & amount of detergent.
Fabric softener and bleach are NOT sudsing agents. Using the correct amount of these products will SAVE on the annual expenses for those items.
This is WIN--WIN--WIN.
What EXACTLY is NOT to like about any of this ????
Don't confuse him with facts his mind is made up. BTW going on 6 mos now with the Samsung. No smell, no special cycles not leaving door open. According tot the pundits I should be growing mushrooms :-) Just using PROPER amounts of detergents that's it!
Thanks for the help with proper amounts John. BTW we never had any smell issues with the old Frigedare either.
Hey all, I don't have time to read all the pages of this, but I will share what solved the smell problem in out Whirlpool Duet ...
Good old Borax. You can buy it anywhere under the brand name Muletrain. It can be used for many things put it is in the laundry detergent aisle at grocery stores.
We put some in the prewash detergent slot and then wash the clothes. Guess what - no black gunk under the rubber boot by the door, no smell, no problems.
Oh, leaving the door open when wash is done and not taken out right away helps.
Front loaders - awesome. Saves the septic system and the well pump.
I just wrote something similar in a different thread, so sorry for the redundancy, but I have a problem comprehending all that 'detergent stuff'.
In Europe, front loaders have been used for at least 50 years (practically exclusively). While living there, I don't recall ever coming across the issues discussed here, such as the sudsing properties of detergents, the distinction between 'normal' and 'HE' detergents, etc. Nobody I know of seems to be too worried about using the 'proper' amounts; it just works.
So Jeff, the manufacturers have 'solved the problem' a long time ago (there wasn't really one to begin with), but people in the US haven't quite gotten the hang yet of how to use FLs after having used TLs practically exclusively for such a long time. It also seems to me that the marketing divisions of washer and detergent manufacturers somewhat abuse the situation and contribute to the confusion instead of resolving it. A resolution may not be in their interests (i.e., in their shareholders' interests). Maybe I'm just paranoid. Anyway, using FLs is really rather simple and painless, but one has to break old habits. Cheers!