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Debra:  Speaking from experience I would recommend the Frigidaire Affinity (don't know the model number but it has "6000" in it.  I had the cheapest Frigidaire front loader for 5 years and really loved it.  At 3.1 cuft it was a bit smaller than I would like but did well cleaning queen size comforters.  A friend needed a new machine and didn't have loads of money so I gave them mine and missed it from day one; untill.....I received my Affinity.  It is significantly larger than the first one at 3.5 cuft (don't know why it seems so much larger - probably the door).  This machine easily handles queen size and the first day I washed 45 dress shirts; not than impressive till I tell you that it was only two loads!  Cool down feature and added tumble in the dryer worked impressively.  I negotiated a good price from hhgregg so I paid 1,183.00 with 6.5% tax so that was a great deal.  Don't believe their prices, the salesman and manager freely negotiated the "sale" price down by $300.  I'm not a picker but they were more than willing to work the price down to what I felt comfortable paying.  The washer washes extremely well, is quiet and uses very little water and the dryer, in all cases works faster drying than the washer does washing so no more laundry piling up for the dryer.  Consumer reports has a higher than perfect reliability rating but I can say that I did not have one problem with the old machines and my friends love their "new" machine as much as I did.  You might give them a try since they are/were cheaper than the other front loaders I shopped.

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I purchased a stackable maytag neptune 5.5 years ago. We had problems initially and then the controller for the motor (speed control) melted and almost caught on fire. It was black and had a melted circuit board. We had a whole new washer/dryer sent out. Then finally it stopped wringing clothes dry and found the bearings are shot. They said it was a $1,300 repair....I guess it's their way of saying buy a new one. I can guarantee you it won't be a Maytag as long as I live. I figured that spending the premium for a water efficient machine and replacing it every 5 years or so is not worth it. I am now going to a laundry service that will be picking up and dropping off, no folding any more and now my Laundry Room can be another use.

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I need to purchase a washer, but after reviewing all the comments about washers, I'm frozen.  I thought the Frigidaire would be the one to purchase, but then I read all the reports about the smell coming from the washer and not being able to get it out of the clothes.  You purchased your washer in May, is it still running smoothly?  Is there a smell?  Please reply asap if you're still checking this forum, I need to buy one soon.  Thanks so much!
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I purchased the Frigidaire front loading washer and dryer two and a half years ago. After about 16 months, I noticed a really bad smell coming from the washer which would get into our clothes, especially towels after washing.  I did some research and learned that the smell is because of the fungus and bacteria building up on the door's rubber seal because of water sitting on it.  I went to a website called www.smellywasher.com and bought their solution for about $19.  It is a white powdery substance that may just be a combination of borax and baking soda but it worked after running it through the washer a few times.  I also learned that you have to wipe the rubber seal after every wash and keep the door open when not in use to avoid breeding bacteria and fungus.  Also, using liquid detergents makes this problem worse than if you use powder.  And use less than the manufacturer suggests.

The Frigidaire is relatively quiet and doesn't vibrate (although we have it on the ground floor on slate flooring) but we are thinking of replacing it with a traditional top loading washer as our clothes have never come out very clean even though we have tried various types of detergents and settings.  (We have a septic field so we try to use enviro friendly products but have also tried Tide etc.)  Also, I hate that you can't open the door after the wash cycle has started.  I also forget something. 

Hope this helps!

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I can tell you from experience the Fridgedare is not worth it. It seems they have a design flaw in the main bearing that supports the whole tub. Our 7 yo unit did this and broke the support struts and the casting that supports this plus burned out the circuit board. Repair guy says into the high hundreds to fix ($600 or so) I can get a new bosch axxis at sears $725! It will match the dryer we got a couple years ago and overall I have been pleased with Bosch. BTW the Axxis line is built in Germany!
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The Least Repair Prone FL Washer...

 

Problably Speed Queen front load washers.

Under NO circumstances would I ever recommend S/Q Front Load washers for wood flooring.

Concrete only.

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This is an interesting post. I've been selling appliances for almost 20 years and can tell you that no matter what brand you buy you will find someone that had a problem with it. Also if you are reading consumer reviews people are much more likely to write a review on something they had a problem with than something that is working fine for them. There are no perfect appliances. Cars break down, people break down and other things break down too.

My advice is to buy from a smaller independent dealer (yes I work for one). You'll get better service during and after the sale. Purchase the extended warranty. It will pay for itself even if you only use it one time.

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The Whirlpool Cabrio washer is not much better.    We purchased our washer on 8/10/07.  In mid-July this year in the middle of a cycle the machine stopped working.   Service came out, a part (Central Electric Control Board) was ordered and the serviceman scheduled himself for the following week expecting the ordered part to have been delivered by that time.   When the part did not arrive a day prior to the service date, we called them to let them know only to find out that the part was on back order until August 22nd!    Whirlpool was able to expedite a part (after we jumped thru a few hoops) but when that part was installed in the machine another week later, the machine still failed to work.   As of today, we're still without a washing machine, have seen several servicemen, many laundry mats, we have dirty water sitting under the basin (where I cannot get to it) smelling up the laundry room and they cannot provide answers as to when they'll fix it and will not replace this lemon.     We also purchased an extended service plan but what good is that on a machine that they can't get to work?
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John, a good job of cleaning clothes and ultra reliable is what I am looking for. I researched the Speed Queens tonight, and have noticed they seem fairly inexpensive as well.

I noticed you said Front Loader and not on a wood floor.
Do they vibrate badly? What about the reliability of the Top Loaders?

You have peaked my interest and I have to buy a replacement right away. Our whirlpool of 14.5 years finally died after a life of zero problems. I have 3 tween aged daughters and need reliable has much as cleaning ability. I have limited $$ and would like energy star. I am also happy to hear on which S/Q to steer clear from if there is one.

Thanks John! I am standing by to hear so I can look and be a smart buyer on Monday.

Stuart
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Stuart

If the laundry room has a wood floor--avoid all front loaders except Samsung.

On concrete--the Speed Queen top load washer will not only work as desired but is a rugged design.

Most customers of mine purchase either the AWS44NW or AWS51NW models.

For comparison:

Speed Queen washers (top & front loaders)---------3.3 cu ft

Samsung Front loader WF448---------------------------4.5 cu ft 

Your "old" Whirlpool washer------------------------------3.2 cu ft (approx)

Edited 11/16/08   by  John_Shipkowski
Edited 11/16/08   by  John_Shipkowski
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Well, I am in medical device sales and can usually sniff out genuine BS when it floats my way.

I have had a recent conversation with an appliance salesman that seemed honest and genuine in his adamant push for Fisher & Paykel. Seeing the brand ratings I would not be so sure of what he is saying. I can tell that users on the net are not happy with any brand these days.

He has suggested the WA37TG1.

Can you give me any input on this brand, especially the ones with out pulleys, transmissions, clutches and brakes? He reps SQ and is pro them as well.

Thanks John.

Stuart
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my wife wants a front load washer and dryer. she likes the Electrolux EIFLW55H washer and theEIED55H dryer. there is no report on these . could you give me some info? they would be on the 1st floor on tile. 11/24/08
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DON'T BUY a Frigidaire!  I have had one for nearly a year now and have had service 4 times. 

They tell you it will do a King comforter and it will barely do a light weight Queen and then won't spin it dry enough for the dryer.  The 14 bath towels is a fairy tale also. 

This washer, the Affinity, it a piece of junk.  Although if they did not lie about it in the show room then I would not expect it to do the things that they bragged about. 

Last week it would not spin a throw rug so I called service and when he came he told me it is trying to balance and since it can't get it it just leaves it soaking wet.  SORRY but my 15 yr old washer would spin a throw rug!!  What good is a washer that picks and chooses what it spins? 

JUST AVOID FRIGIDAIRE AND YOU'LL BE OK as I have friends of front loaders and they are happy with them. 

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the people in the forum recomend the samsung
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<<<<they would be on the 1st floor on tile. 11/24/08>>>>

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If the floor *under* the tile is concrete--you can try the all-new ELECTROLUX washer & dryer.

On wood floors--only the Samsung VRT will offer a stable and quiet performing front loader.

Regardless of the choice made----be committed to using the correct TYPE & AMOUNT of detergent !  

The new ELECTROLUX models are literally hot-off-the-press and therefore---consumer reviews are (as far as I'm aware) not yet available.

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Stuart,

In response to your question about Fisher & Paykell, I can tell you that the marketing reps for the company have been on a HUGE push to sell their products.  The regional rep came to our store a few months ago for the first time I can remember and barked until he was literally red in the face about why his product was better than any other.  He literally brought a feeling of uncomfortable desperation and forcefulness to the sales floor with him that day.  The associate you spoke of may have been under the influence of one of these recent barking sessions.  I am an appliance salesman at a Lowe's store.  Overall, we don't get a lot of complaints about the product, though we sell very little.  But, good luck finding a service person if you do have a problem.   They do have a great idea putting a truly direct drive on their washers.  The way I understand, the motor doesn't have windings like a traditional electric motor, yet it uses computer controlled, opposing, electromagnetic forces to attain movement.  Take in mind the super rollercoasters that rocket right out of the gate and you sort of get the idea on the concept.  Overall, I would only recomment fisher and paykell if you know an authorized service person is available in your area.  A quick note on the motors is that Whirlpool/Maytag use a motor manufactured by F&P in their Cabrio/Bravos line.  Fisher & Paykell also manufacture Medical equipment  and Robotics, and they are the only appliances at Lowe's that feature a two year warranty as opposed to one year like all others.   

If I had to make a recommendation, I would say go with either the Samsung line or the Whirlpool Duet line.  At our store, we sell high numbers of Duets, and to be honest have very little complaints.  One great thing that I love about the Duets, besides reliability, is the fact that they have a "Clean Washer" cycle.  One of the top complaints about all frontload models besides long cycle time is a pungent mildew odor after a year or so usage time.  Most people forget or don't understand how to prevent this.  The said cycle simplifies this by allowing you to Add 2/3 cup of bleach or Affresh tablet, turn the cycle selector knob to "Clean Washer", turn it on, and walk away.  When the cycle is done, wipe the seal and around the seal with a bleach solution, clean any accumulated debris from the tub and drain holes under the seal, and you are done.  This cycle should be done once a month.  The best preventative measure between cleanings is simply leaving your door open between cycles.  Also, remember to use HE detergent only, and use only small amounts.  Trust the measurement lines that the cap shows.  If not, or if you choose to use traditional detergents, you can encounter high sudsing, and residues can build up inside your washer lessening the efficency of the sensors and feeding the smell, even leading to toxic black mold problems on even the best models of any brand.

Samsung is also a great line of washing machines.  Again, we sell fewer samsung, yet we get mostly positive feedback.  The model numbers escape me now, but on their higher end models, you get a "silver care" option.  There are actually pure silver bars in an intake chamber on the washer.  When you select "Silver Care", the cold water flows over the pure silver and through a process, silver ions are released.  Silver ions sanitize your clothing.  99.9% of bacteria and viruses cannot withstand silver ions.  So, in reality, you are sanitizing your clothing without using bleach or harsh chemicals or a drop of hot water!  Kind of neat if you ask me.  Samsung also features VRT or "Vibration Reduction Technology".    This allows samsungs to be installed on all types of subsurfaces, even in mobile homes according to the reps, without vibration issues.  Not to worry about the silver bars, Samsung features a lengthy warranty on the Silver Care system that stretches beyond the normal manufacturer's warranty.

A few tips to remember:

Don't fall for too many bells and whistles.  There are a lot of sales pitches out there featuring cycles for every kind of stain and clothing imaginable.  Ask yourself, "do I really need this many cycles for my day to day laundry"  For instance, GE features a front loader where you can select about a bazillion different stain removal options, or a pedestal that holds 60 loads worth of detergent and fabric softener.  However, in my experience, I have found GE to be an unreliable brand when it comes to laundry.  And you can achieve the same stain removal results using a steam washer.  Also, many HE laundry models feature ungodly spin speeds.  In a recent study done by whirlpool/maytag, it was found that you really can't force much more water out of most materiels once you reach 800 rpm's.  1000 rpm's is plenty enough.  Maytag features an option on some of their washers called "Max Extract"  The cycle will attain and hold a spin speed of approx. 800 rpm's til near the end of the cycle.  At that time, the washer will quickly shoot the rpm's up to 1000 using the extra burst of centrifugal force to ring out a little extra water.  surprisingly, through their own testing results, this removes more water than simply acheiving and maintaing a speed of 1,000 rpm's.

Remember, high efficency only pays for itself if you wash clothes often.  On average, in my estimation, most high efficency models save you anywhere from 50 to 70% on water usage over plus sized front loaders, Yet they cost sometimes as much as three times more.  If you are only going to use it once a week, the washer will never pay for itself like most claim.

Finally, remember that price can be deceiving.  Frigidaire offers some models that cost under $700, but quality is spared.  The duet models cost anywhere from $800 upwards of $1200 dollars and seem to be one of the best in my experience.  However, you will pay over $1200 dollars for an Electrolux model (Frigidaire's parent company) yet the Electrolux looks strikingly similar to the Frigidaire, and feels alot alike.  I will, however, refrain from making any claims to quality as the new Electrolux models have yet to be put to the true test of time in this country.  But, putting two and two together, you come to a fishy conclusin.

 

Hope these few tips help, usually the best thing to do is spend time with any sales associate.  Ask lots and lots of questions, even seemingly harmless ones.  If you notice babbling, inconsistencies in their answers, or generally forcefull answers, then most likely that salesman has selling a particular product in mind because of commission, and not selling you the right product for your needs.  They are trying to feed you a story, not the facts. A gen
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Great post Brian! An interesting perspective--and has much consistency with many of the postings that I've done on this forum

I made a few clarifications...

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<<<<Also, remember to use HE detergent only, and use only small amounts.  Trust the measurement lines that the cap shows.>>>>

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JOHN

The correct HE detergent amounts that *must* be used are as follows:

HE : (2) Tablespoons Per Wash

HE 2X : (1) Tablesppons Per Wash

HE #X : (1) Teaspoon Per Wash

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<<<<GE features a front loader where you can select about a bazillion different stain removal options, or a pedestal that holds 60 loads worth of detergent and fabric softener.>>>>

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JOHN

I agree with the statement that GE is not a brand famous for reliability in their laundry products.

However--the "new" concept of using bladders in the pedestal is a great idea. Manufacturers are trying to remove the *human error* out of washer use. This particular GE washer has the capability to determine the condition of the water entering it (Ph). Based on this and other data--the digital controls will ad the correct amount of detergent for each load of wash.

Eventually--this will likely be a more common feature on water conserving washers of all types.

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<<<<usually the best thing to do is spend time with any sales associate.  Ask lots and lots of questions, even seemingly harmless ones.>>>>

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JOHN

If customers ask YOU for information & feedback---they're among competent company.

MOST servicers (of which I am) and sales professionals are woefully lacking in both product knowledge and a desire to excel in their profession.

Take Care.

 

Edited 11/26/08   by  John_Shipkowski
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