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Purchased a Smart Brew this past week based CR recommendation.  Clock did not work properly and the water did not hot enough.

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Unfortunately (see my recent post) Consumer doesn't address water temp. After doing some research I found that the only home machine that reaches the recommended temp of 195-200 degrees is made by a Dutch company called Technivorm. It is very expensive $229-$249 and looks like something you would find in a science lab!

So many posting said that they have purchased so many coffeemakers and either they didn't work properly, leaked, or didn't get hot enough. Maybe finding and buying one good one is more cost effective.

I refuse to believe that I have to pay over $200 to make a decent cup of coffee at home.

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Hi Lori,

If coffee is brewed at too high a temperature with a drip brewer, it makes for a bitter cup of coffee. They are not designed to brew at the boiling temperature. For those who want a super hot cup of coffee, I would try the good old-fashioned percolator type of coffee maker. It's very inexpensive and it makes coffee as hot as you can possibly get it.

Regards,

Angelo Mannino

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Hi Angelo,

I beg to differ with you. I didn't say that the proper temperature to brew coffee was at the boiling point (212F)

According to the National Coffee Association the ideal brewing temp is 195-205F.

There are many other reputable organizations that agree with those numbers.

What you stated isn't correct. Consumers can easily do their own research online to obtain this info.

 

 

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I want a good percolator.  How about doing a Consumer Report on them?
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Bought a 5-Cup SmartBrew Black and Decker several months ago before becoming a CR member.  The clock has gone crazy.  Left plugged in, it turns itself on and off, and may or may not keep coffee warm.  Must keep it unplugged when not in use and monitor it when it is.  Black & Decker says some other company is responsible for repairs.  Checked with Consumer Reports and found SmartBrew larger capacity maker a best buy.  Went from CR via Yahoo to Sears and several reader reviews at Sears registered same complaint, bad clock, about the SmartBrew 2500..  Have coffee makers become throw-away items?
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It seems they are throw aways anymore. I checked out the Black and Decker and found it  flimsy and decided against it. Also I like the cone filters as opposed to the basket filters. I've had the basket filters name brand fold over on me several times spilling grounds into the coffee. a local hardware store has a brand I've never heard of with a thermal carafe same price as the B and D. I'm going to gamble on it...........
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You are quibling. The difference between the top of your range, 205 F, and 212 F is trivial. Both are VERY hot and would be termed "scalding".

No thanks.

 

 

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We have had a 2500 for two years. Use it daily. It has never missed a beat.

Having said that, a high failure rate on a $20 coffee maker would not be surprising. Consider all the people getting a piece of that $20 cost and it is a miracle that such a thing can exist and work at all.

You can protect yourself somewhat by buying things with 1-2 year warranties and paying with a Gold Card. This doubles the warranty...for free. (And, yes, there is a big nuisance in using a warranty on an inexpensive item.)

 

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I have a Technivorm "Moccamaster GCS" that I like very much.  The quality seems to be much better than the Kitchenaid model it replaced. (the Kitchenaid was recalled since some had apparently caught fire).
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A French Press is much cheaper  than the Technivorm and still achieves the proper temperature.

:-)
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IMO a French Press makes the better tasting coffee....but I don't have that time in the morning.   ahhhh  someday.       I would really like to find a reliable,  safe to keep plugged ,  won't burn the house down, makes a good cup of coffee, with a thermal carafe, coffee maker .  And,  although I know this is way too much to ask,  could they please describe them by ounces or liters instead of "cups".     We all know they "cups"  aren't standardized.
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YES!!! Finally someone with the same issue that really bothers me !

Since the "cup" size is not standardised and let's be honest, I read the cup size on one machine to be 5oz. in the fine print. Please...That's what you end up spilling from the poorly designed carafes it's not a reasonable cup size at all.

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Brew temperature for the optimal cup of 'jo' should be 195 to 198 degrees. That is the water temperature as it contacts the coffee grounds. Typically there is a 10 to 20 degree drop in the carafe depending whether it is glass or st. steel and if you pre-warmed the carafe with hot water. You will not scald your tongue on coffee brewed at 195 and you will not get the best extraction unless you brew at or near this temperature. In regards to machines that will achieve this, the Technibrew machine is the only home machine (actually a small commercial unit) that I am aware of that brews at this temperature. A discontinued Bosch model came close at 190. Most home machines brew at a paltry 180 to 185 degree temperature due to the wattage of the heat exchanger and the lack of a tank in which to increase temperatures further (commercial brewers). You will not get a full and complex extraction at these temperatures. Consumer Reports will hopefully clarify their ratings on temperature as almost all brewers are receiving an undeserved excellent rating.

After 20 years in the coffee business I've settled on warming my water with a Krups Lyris hot water machine and a simple Melitta filter system. Pour appx. 5 oz. of 195 degree water over the grounds (coarse) every 30 seconds or so until you reach your desired volume. Stir the grounds as you go. In this you will be replicating the pulse-brew feature of the best commercial machines on the market. I will leave the volume of the coffee grounds up to you - just grind them coarser, use a bit more and do not refrigerate them (coffee beans are a sponge for moisture and odors).

For more detailed info go to the SCAA (Specialty Coffee Association of America) website and find the Golden Cup Award Standards. Happy brewing and here's to a perfect cup for 25 cents in less than 5 minutes. Ciao!

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I've gone through 3 Mr. Coffees in the past 2 years.  I want to know  a good coffee maker I don't have to replace or fix every year.  I wish there was a longevity, reliability index on the reviews. 

Also, what happened to the idea of hot reservoirs of water giving a better flavor than the fast heated, high pressure models in the ratings.

 

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i bought a Black & decker model DCM3250B a few months ago from Kohl's and am very happy with it, Don't know the wattage number but the coffee comes out very hot and stays that way. Paid $39.95 for it.
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You and Lori are the only ones on this board who understand the importance of proper extraction of coffee, Greg.  Anything less than 195 F is underextracted and bland; anything over 205 F is bitter.  Those folks who don't realize its important either 1) don't drink coffee for its flavor (many drink it for the pickup); 2) have never had a fresh-roasted, properly brewed cup. 

I roast my own coffee to get the optimum freshness and flavor.  The last thing I want is a machine that improperly brews it.  You are correct that the only "home" machine available and which brews at the proper temperature is the TV.  The Presto Scandinavia actually reached the proper temp but at $40US, it was riddled with other quality problems and is no longer made.  I went through 2 of them before I began using a Bodum stovetop vacpot.  It gives me all the flavor w/o as much sludge as I get from a FP.

Aurelio S.

Clawson, MI

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Stella, this is not directed AT you, it is just a way to get it onto the board under the topic.  This is my first post here and I am just learning how things are done.  Thank you for understanding.


People who have taken Chemistry or physics know about something called STP -- Standard Temperature and Pressure.   Where I live water 'boils' at an average about 198 degrees F,  so I'm at the bottom end of the extraction temperature -- and could only get to true 'boiling' (212 F) n a pressure cooker.  If a storm is coming it boils at a lower temperature, and if we have a high pressure area, it boils at a higher temp, but never 212 F.

And Now we come to an important concept -- it's usually applied to pasta, but applies to anything you eat: it's called "al dente' -- meaning 'to the tooth' -- or in a more general translation, how you like something cooked.  There are snobs everywhere -- and it seems that Pasta has given way to Coffee as the new 'in' snobbery.  I'm Italian - and Pasta to me is anywhere from a substantial 'bite' to get into the pasta, to my 'comfort food' -- Pasta cooked until reasonably soft, left in the hot water for a bit, strained, never rinsed (it's just been in water! what's to rinse off except flavor?) and then covered in olive oil, a little butter, some FRESH ground black pepper, and some very good hard Italian cheese ground fresh -  the pasta is soggy, the flavors exceptional -- and it is EXACTLY to MY TOOTH, that is, it is PERFECT FOR ME!

Now to coffee -- There are three parts to coffee: freshness and type, size of the grind, and length of the brew. 

Freshness and Type.  I happen to have a mouth that likes fresh coffee that is dark, oily, has the taste of smoke, and a tad of bitterness.  The darker the bean, the more oil on the bean, the happier I am -- Black over Brown.  Dark Brown over Light Brown,  I like my coffee ground to a powder - that is, for a 'Turkish' coffee -- finer grind than even espresso.  I prefer to use an unbleached paper filter -- the outside cone comes in many sizes from large many cup to small one cup.  I use a small one cup, and put a number two Melitta filter inside a number six Melitta filter, and fill the number two filter and give it a small tamp to increase brew time.  I put about 500ml -- call it 2 cups of water -- into a microwave and bring it to a simmer, and fill the number two cone with water,  it then flattens out and catches the wall of the outside cone.  I tend to add water about three to four times during the brewing process.  each time reheating the water and pouring it into the cooling water in the cone.  What goes in is about 175ml of whole beans turned to power in a slow burr mill, that produces in the neighborhood of 4 ounces volume (about 120ml) of powdered coffee when tamped just a bit.  I lose about 1/2 cup of water to the coffee and paper (again about 120ml).  What comes out the bottom of the filter is a cup and a half (about 380ml) of coffee so dark you cannot see light through it, which has a tad of bitterness attached to it -- and which has extracted nearly all the caffeine and flavors that can come out of that coffee.  And leaves behind many of the bitter alkaloids.  In fact, brewed coffee has more caffeine than espresso, a fact lost on many because they equate the ‘strength’ of coffee with the flavor of ‘bitter’.

I use the one cup Melitta cone so I don't brew coffee too fast, or allow the water to cool too much.  It keeps the larger outside cone from collapsing as one person pointed out that it did when they went too fast -- and sometimes I've had the catastrophic failure in the same way -- I was in too much of  a hurry – however, what I get in return for about 5 minutes of paying attention to the process, is one cup of coffee that keeps me flying all day -- and which is 'perfect' to MY mouth, not necessarily yours.

Some things ARE true -- Coffee beans are full of chemicals -- and to extract some chemicals and not others you need to have a certain size of particle, a certain amount of 'brew' time, and a certain temperature of water.  One reason espresso tastes so bitter to some is that the temperature of the water used is FAR  higher than boiling, and this allows some chemicals known as Alkaloids, to dissolve in the hotter water.  It's why brewing coffee with very tepid water will produce a weak brownish liquid that you could read a large type flyer through, perhaps even a newspaper.  Some people like coffee like that, to keep the coffee taste 'fresh' and not remove very much caffeine and not remove any of the alkaloids that make coffee taste bitter.  Some people enjoy instant coffee, others enjoy the bulk cans of coffee you can buy at supermarkets, and others find them both a 'coffee like beverage'. 

Everyone can be right.  There ARE people who set up guide lines which say that if you want to compare one kind of coffee to another, you should use certain guidelines -- you need a level playing field and thus they chose certain criteria that allows the differences in coffee to be tasted across different brands and types of coffee.  Some African coffees are dark, bitter, and are super charged with caffeine -- if they are brewed that way, some Latin American coffees are a very pleasant brown, do not have the bitter bite of African coffees, and tend to have a mild flavor.  Pacific Coffees tend to have more 'smoke' or 'earth' to their flavors -- but if you did not make a standard way to make a cup of coffee it would be hard to tell.  And roasting your own coffee can turn a black coffee brown or a brown coffee black, all beans are green, what you do after that determines the kind and taste of the bean.  One bean may have many different flavors depending on how it is brewed.  But to compare coffee, you need a ‘standard’, which is just a ‘norma
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